Startup Insurance Needs Version 2.0

This is going to be a work in progress. But what I have below is my latest iteration of how to meet “Startup Insurance” needs. The most illuminating thing to me lately has been the fact that startups are starting digitally first. This may sound obvious, but when you’ve quoted hundreds of brick and mortar small businesses, switching over to “digital first” risk management approach took a moment register.

The other thing for an agent to keep in mind about startups is they often don’t want coverage until they’re required to have it for a contract, etc. This can put an agent in a tough spot. Some coverages can be harder to place than others, you can often get away with a 3-week quote and placement window, but if it’s an out of the box need, I’d at least plan on having at least that much lead time.

Some coverages are super straight forward, but tech e&o, anything where employees are being contracted out, etc., can get clunky to quote. Clients should be aware most quotes are good for 3 months too, so quoting early doesn’t necessarily mean you have to bind right away.

We are getting there but most agents aren’t totally tech enabled yet. You’re probably going to have to deal with some PDFs, and maybe multiple DocuSigns. In some cases, you might have to cut a check. There are more stripped-down approaches some platforms take, but you may unknowingly be paying a premium for the ease. There are always plusses and minus, and at the end of the day I believe selecting insurance should come down to the following three things:

1) Right coverage - There’s a lot that goes into this, but the client needs to be aware of what is and what is not intended to be covered.

2) Most competitive price - I did not say the cheapest. Just like you can probably find a $5 football helmet, people will sell you cheap insurance, but neither will protect you that well.

Go for the “gear” that’s reasonable for your level of risk and the occasion. Pewee football players don’t need NFL helmets, but they need more than a bucket with a chin-strap.

3) Ease of delivery - This is last for a reason. If the top two boxes look good, judge on this one, but price and coverage are the two most important things. You may end up with an antiquated looking carrier that does things by mail, but has great financials and coverage, that’s ok. It’s about the best policy for your price and need.

Substance over flash, and if there is substance, why not have a little flash. It is all about the meat of the policy, and working with the right agent can help you see what you need through the noise. Please reach out if I can help with any startup insurance needs, nationwide. And I hope you enjoy my second pass at breaking down startup insurance needs below:

STARTUP INSURANCE

So you have taken the plunge! Congrats. It’s going to be a wild ride, but we want to help make sure insurance isn’t something you worry too much about, we want to help you focus on the mission at hand! Changing the world and bringing your vision to life.

When it comes to startups and insurance, every startup is unique, but we do think there are some general best practices when it comes to startup tech companies. We’d want to make sure to talk through your specific needs, but please take the time to review a few thoughts below on what types of insurance may make sense for tech startups at different phases of their development.

Discovery (Pre-SEED) stage

Your company is self funded or have some friends and family money. You have no employees, you are searching for product market fit, and are in other companies systems and earning contracts. Tech startups are going to want to have the following policies in place.

1) Cyber Liability - Cyber-insurance is an insurance product used to protect businesses and individual users from Internet-based risks, and more generally from risks relating to information technology infrastructure and activities.

2) Errors and Omissions (E&O) - E&O is a type of professional liability insurance that protects companies, their workers, and other professionals against claims of inadequate work or negligent actions.

Small SEED round - You’re taken on some Professional money

You haven’t hired anyone yet, but you have Professional Money coming into your startup

3) Key Person Insurance - Key person insurance is simply life insurance on the key person in a business. In a small business, this is usually the owner, the founders or perhaps a key employee or two. These are the people who are crucial to a business--the ones whose absence would sink the company.

4) Directors and Officers Insurance (Maybe Employee Practices and Liabilities as well, it’s covered later too)

-Directors and officers liability Insurance (often called "D&O") is liability insurance payable to the directors and officers of a company, or to the organization(s) itself, as indemnification (reimbursement) for losses or advancement of defense costs in the event an insured suffers such a loss as a result of a legal action brought for alleged wrongful acts in their capacity as directors and officers.

SEED round - You’re starting to hire and build a company

You have employees, you’re accumulating assets, maybe getting office space, and starting to build a company.

5) General Liability (GL) and Business Personal Property (BPP) - BPP Covers your assets, GL covers liabilities like slip and fall accidents, you’ll also want to include, hired and unowned auto, water back-up and some BPP off-premise.(Maybe Workers Comp, depending upon if you have made hires yet.)

6) Workers Comp - Workers' compensation is a form of insurance providing wage replacement and medical benefits to employees injured in the course of employment in exchange for mandatory relinquishment of the employee's right to sue his or her employer for the tort of negligence.

Scaling Is On (Series A + Rounds Are Happening) and You’re Building a Company

Scaling is on, you have an HR department, you’re making a ton of hires, and have several rounds of funding on the horizon you’re going to want to add the following coverage:

(GL, BPP, E&O, Cyber, D&O, Key Man) +

7) Employment Practices and Liabilities (EPLI) - Employment practices liability is an area of United States labor law that deals with wrongful termination, sexual harassment, discrimination, invasion of privacy, false imprisonment, breach of contract, emotional distress, and wage and hour law violations. It may be categorized as a form of professional liability.

8) Excess liability insurance and Commercial umbrella insurance - Excess Liability Coverage will extend the underlying policies, whereas Commercial Umbrella Insurance will do the same, and have some broader coverage in place for your business.


Bonus Section - Employee Benefits -
Regulations change state to state. And a lot of small startups have joining without Benefits as a badge of honor, but they shouldn’t scare your company as much as they probably do. Offering Benefits can be great for retention. Not everyone will ask to be covered, you can choose how you want dependents coverage to work, and you get to use pretax business monies that will save about 30% of the cost if employees are buying Benefits on their own. You get access to better networks through buying Benefits as a company too.

Miscellanies insurance needs that may come up

Business Auto - If your company owns any vehicles, Commercial Auto insurance is rated and covered differently than Personal Auto. All drivers will have to be named on the policy.

Inland Marine - If you have high-value assists beyond your business Personal Property, say a collection of Wine that’s going up in value, it wouldn’t be covered property under traditional business replacement cost coverage. It could cover fine art or Medical Equipment for instance as well.

Event Insurance - If you’re hosting company events that provide alcohol and have outsiders, you’re going to want to have Event Insurance in-place. It is relatively inexpensive, and can save you from a non-work event derailing all that your company’s worked for.

Thank you for taking the time to review these recommendations. Again, these are general recommendations for tech companies. If you’re building a product you’d want to have Product Liability for instance, example of other additional policies are Business Auto, Umbrella, IP, Fiduciary, Crime, or International Policies.

Please reach-out below to discuss your unique needs and situation:

All the best,

-Broker Brett

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Brett Fulmer

Newport Beach Insurance Center

Office: (949) 358-7990

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3rd Insurance License Renewal Reflections:

When I first got licensed in 2014 it was to create leads for an office moving sales job I had, I had grown up around the company, and I thought it'd be a clever way to bring in leads.

It actually kind of backfired, I think we my leads sources thought I was distracted, and they dried up a bit.

On my first renewal (2016) I was doubling down on this Insurance thing being interesting, and seeing the upside of renewals and having a lot of paperwork, but no crews to handle.

On my last renewal (2018) I had worked a year in personal lines, sold leads for a bit, and was about to have my last fulltime job selling supplemental benefits and HR resources. The last two jobs were a little rough, as sales jobs can be, and I decided to see what I could do on my own.

Stepping out and building my own agency allowed me the flexibility to work with Finaeo Inc. It gave me the ability to work with Blake Maxwell and Maxwell Agency Insurance Services to learn commercial P&C too.

Sometimes you just have to "go." You just have to start. The road won't be clear, but certain muscles will develop that you haven't used before. You'll become a different animal. Often I think people are as strong as they have to be. Don't be scared to ask yourself to be strong.

A Few Quick (Humble) Thoughts on Sales:

The picture at the bottom of this post is of a screenshot I took during a back and forth with my Insurance Nerds friend Bobbie Shrivastav, MBA, PMP discussing sales on Twitter.

(PS: #InsurTechTwitter is pretty great!)

You don't owe anybody anything if you think you're interacting with a bot. If somebody's putting an ask on you without you initiating interest, don't feel too bad about letting it go.

Sales at it's finest is problem-solving, and lazy sales is spamming. In my humble opinion, good salespeople listen, provide value, and don't try and sell ketchup popsicles to people wearing white gloves. They do the hard work of finding people who like ketchup popsicles.

(They should've researched if there was a ketchup popsicle market first, but that's another rant.)

The best salespeople I know chase the right opportunities, listen, dive deep, find a pain point, and help resolve it. Then they provide additional value to seal the deal. I am leaning in this field every day, it's a never-ending craft to develop.

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Reps and Iteration + Startup Selection Thoughts

Reps and Iteration:

I never believe I'll have anything right out the gate. I believe in reps, iteration and not getting "___ed out," losing the ability to keep playing.

When I attach myself to an InsurTech project or company I look for a few things. Here's my humble list:

1) Do I like and trust the people Trust is paramount. Without trust you won't be able to create. This doesn't mean you don't keep an eye on things for the rest of the journey, but if you have any unease early, why start?

2) Have I seen this technology work other places? This is an easy one for insurance / InsurTech. If APIs are working for airline pricing, why are they not working in insurance? There is one thing to watch out for though, being early can be the same as being wrong.

3) Do I think there is a reasonable chance of success, and will I learn something?

I am pulling the second half of this from Tim Ferriss. If I am going to learn something from working or hanging with a new group of people I am usually game to hang and help. Is there a reasonable chance of success? This doesn't have to be a 2 billion dollar exit. This could be a self-sustaining small business. Anything that creates autonomy is a success in my mind.

Please feel free to email be brett@brokerbrett.com with more ideas for this list!

#InsurTech 2.0 or 3.0?

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The game escalated. People are making better podcasts and YouTube videos. Startups are growing up, dying, being acquired or rocketing off on their own. InsurTech was once a place where you could be ahead of the crowd just by being in the conversation, now you really have to dig in. This is my attempt to return to the written side of the conversation.

InsurTech 2.0 or 3.0?

I am stealing "InsurTech 2.0" from a recent Coverager video, but I really think we are in the second or third iteration of this. It's interesting how the starter InsurTechs got mad when the carriers and big money showed up, like they knew about a band early, and then were upset to hear them sounding mainstream on the radio. Which I understood. More recently, I have seen brokers and agents on the InsurTech seen too, which surprised me, I am used to being only one who pounds the pavement in "InsurTech" rooms.

This Had to Happen

Technology digitizes what was once analog, for instance, tickets at a restaurant are now being transferred to the kitchen via tablets. Claims photos are being sent in from Lift drivers with drones. If there are efficiencies in other markets (APIs for airline tickets for instance), it only makes sense that they're going to flourish in our 7 trillion dollar industry like insurance too.

I never looked at InsurTechs as competition, partially because I was new and had nothing to defend, but more so because it seemed like an opportunity to do more with less. InsurTech tools and companies have always seemed lighter and more nimble too, plus their doors are open and they're game to work with new agents.

The Two Become One

It makes sense that the carriers waited to see what InsurTechs and startups could sus up before becoming involved. It's not a perfect analogy, but if you are leading a 10,000 person army, you're not going to worry about recruiting 10-20 good fighters, but if those fighters reach 200-300 people and are very effective you're going to welcome them in with open arms. InsurTechs have proved their worth, and now it's a matter of seeing what seasoned InsurTechs and Insurance can do together.

You're Still Going to Need a Homebase

This is speaking from an "agent boots on the ground" perspective. If you're looking to offer multiple products or sell upmarket I still think having a brick and mortar, or the appearance of an office, will help. If you are selling a single thing direct to a consumer you may be able to get away with running it all off a website, but I still think you need an agent and a face for credibility, especially for working on projects at scale. The cool thing is you can really scale your reach and credibility through cool web tools though.

What is Coming Next?

I think agents are going to get more and more savvy, and they'll need traditional agency services less and less, hard marketing materials, office assistants, etc. You can plug in your HR tools, you can automate marketing, you can have a back office in a different country. Especially with the bulk of insurance talent being in their late 50s and early 60s, the next generations is going to have to digitize and automate, but I think you'll still want that local touch to bring in high-value clients.

In Summation

Insurance and InsurTech are going to keep intersecting until they're one thing, and the industry will be a new version of its old self. Startups will become mature companies, have processes and rules, and smaller companies (startups) will try and run past them again. The cycle is going to repeat, but not as violently as this time, this was the web and globalization really impacting the insurance industry.

You're going to need that human touch, in my opinion, unless it's a one-off direct product. Carriers are going to make smoother and smoother apps, but they're still going to move rather slow. Savvy groups like AON are going to continue to scoop up the Coverwallets of the world as an extension of their brand and to grow their brain trust. I wouldn't be surprised if the more senior InsurTechs scoop up the younger ones too, like Spotify (the streaming giant) buying The Ringer (a startup media company) for a billion dollars. Part of the Spotify-Ringer deal was Bill Simmons (The Ringer CEO) helping to figure out the podcast roadmap for Spotify too.

In my humble opinion, everything changes and everything stays the same. I don't see insurance / insurtech being any different.

Unknowns

IOT, CoronaVirus, 5G and the 2020 US Election should be interesting wrinkles this coming era for insurance. I think we're going to see a lot more embedded insurance like Tesla offers, and companies like ACORNs adding insurance offerings to their suite of services. They'll take pieces of business, but think the majority of business will be in agents' hands for a good long time.

Thank You

If you have made it this far in the article, I really appreciate it. This was definitely a broadly brushed piece, I'll try and drill down into more specific topics next time.

Cheers,

-Broker Brett

brett@brokerbrett.com

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Carry a lunch-pail, and try and think like a VC

I am lucky to be involved in a lot of cool projects right now. I have FINAEO, a rad FinTech in Canada that’s coming to the US (FINAEO), my buddy Blake’s benefits agency (Maxwell Agency) where I get to grow my P&C skills, and I am proud to be a contributing member of the Insurance Nerds family which has immensely grown my network. My wise wife said I am only allowed to dabble in things around insurance for the time being, haha.

I choose projects by the knowledge that cane be gained, financial opportunity, and maybe most importantly, the team. Working at Maxwell Insurance we’re building a very tradition (though tech-driven) agency, the upside is understandable and the work is clear. Working with FINAEO, there’s a remarkable hill to climb, but the vistas from the top have the potential to be spectacular. On the FINAEO side, we’re looking to digitize something that has barely been touched by technology, the Financial Planning industry.

I believe the team is the most important part because with the right talent and mindset, I really believe a collection of people can solve just about anything. That’s why I am excited a fellow Rising Tide investment is working on something like Carbon Capture, but that’s another story. Not everyone on a team can be LeBron James, you need some Luis Scolas, some Richard Jeffersons, and Shane Battiers to win too.

I consider myself a grinder. I grew up sales-wise in the era (early 2010s) of knocking doors and making cold calls off of collected business cards and a 1 page paper script. Though analytics may have been driving some sales floors, it was not driving ours, the occasional desk pound and expletive from the bosses office got you back in motion, haha. We had our metrics, 2 hours of calls, go collect 30 cards, 2 hours of calls again. The base salary way llloooowww, and your only hope was commission, this was 2009 / 2010.

Sports, working construction and in restaurants, and that first year of sales all began making me a pretty good grinder. I stuck around my next job for 6 years, but go licensed in insurance to help lead generation in that roll, I helped a few startups on nights and weekends too. I kept having “5-9s” to get out of the “9-5.” The first true tech startup I helped was in 2014-2016, it gave me my first taste of trying to bring modern tech into a place where it hasn’t been, banking. My friend built a phenomenal data visualization product, and I was proud to have brought the first money in, but our first target didn’t want what we had built, and we ran out of time and couldn’t find another.

I have helped a handful of small businesses and tech startups now, The work I have done has never been sexy, it’s been spreadsheets, calls, sometimes off of a personal cell at lunch, while trying to sniff out knowledge and trying to be acutely aware of true traction. I say “carry a lunch-pail, and try and think like a VC” because your time is valuable. You will only get to invest your efforts into a handful of companies during your professional career, and in order for your teams to win, they’ll need every team members aware and alert.

Don’t be afraid to do the hard, potentially boring, monotonous work, but don’t stop thinking and considering your time an investment too.

-Broker Brett

Please feel free to add me on LinkedIn, and or to reach out with any startup or InsurTech related questions, and thank you for taking the time to read this article too.

Brett Fulmer

brett@brokerbrett.com

https://www.linkedin.com/in/brokerbrett/